HearthPro Episode 11: Adorable and Awesome
by JR Cook - 11 years ago show comments
Trump is the first professionally sponsored Hearthstone player, and the HearthPro team discusses what this development might mean for eSports. We also continue our conversation about the downsides and limitations for player interaction in the current beta.
For our deck building segment, we look at a couple of cards that seem somewhat questionable at first glance: Millhouse Manastorm, the Arcane Golem, Gelbin Mekkatorque and the Venture Co. Mercenary. What is their true value? Are they just Arcane Dust generators, or are there specific scenarios where those cards would play rather well? We also learn that Robert loves caps lock, and Marc’s deck building skills are “adorable”.
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Hey guys, just wanted to weigh in my 2 cents about the whole “etiquette” issue. I think that a huge part of the confusion that’s going on has to do with the fact that the game is so new and that there is at this point basically a steady stream of new players . . . I do find that players running almost-free, relatively unsophisticated decks are more likely to do things like not say “Hello” and “Well Played” to start and end games, for example, I’ve even seen a few people be straight up confused by the Rogue hello, “The pleasure is mine,” and say Thank You in response rather than greet me back. There was even an article on WoW Insider recently which discussed whether conceding was being rude and/or a poor sport–which is exactly the opposite of the physical card game tradition of not dragging it on forever.
Some of the issues that have been discussed as rudeness issues, though, I think are actually gameplay issues. For example, if the board state is pretty complex, a player might not notice the easiest way to kill their opponent and drag it on an extra turn, or do a more “awesome”/”show-off” maneuver that might be interpreted as hand-emptying “rudeness” by a person who is feeling impatient or who is straight up a sore loser. Also waiting until the end of the turn to play is fine, I assume it just means they’re thinking; the really rude thing is to make your move at the beginning of the turn and then when you have nothing left you can do just wait out the clock on your turn.
Also personally I think that the rudest thing someone can do is not Threaten but say Sorry or Thank You–saying “Sorry” after you do damage or kill a creature, for example, or saying “Thank You” when you think your opponent has misplayed. (I also do need to add here that this is all from context, there are some games where you build up goodwill with your emotes early on and obviously appropriate behavior is not about following a set of rules.) If someone uses Thank You or Sorry in a rude way just once or twice I will squelch, but if they Threaten occasionally, or use Oops to point out my mistakes, I don’t mind . . . even though other players would probably feel exactly the opposite. So in that way I’m glad that not all our emotes are “polite,” I still can’t decide if I want them to add in a “lol” emote or if that would just be the rudest thing imaginable, whereas I think “Threaten” definitely does have a place in any game with a PvP aspect.
I also think that if your hero is Jaraxxus then emote spam is acceptable because it’s hilarious, for example “Oops” on the regular heroes is really easy to use in a rude way but “MISTAKE” is straight up amazing. I also understand that other people won’t feel the same way about it and might Squelch me when I warlock and I just don’t care.
Really insightful, Eleanor. I agree that the Sorry or Thank You thing is 100% the most annoying thing a player can do.
Eleanor, you make some excellent points — I tend to view things from a more casual place, myself, hence my views on things. With direct regard to taking forever on a turn, I think I may have gotten cut off or distracted before I could make my complete statement. There’s nothing wrong with taking the time to think, but it’s running out the clock every single time that makes me question what’s going on. No shame in being a new player, but even reading card text on my first day in the Beta I didn’t run out the clock on the earlier turns!
I don’t think feeling a bit weirded out by a player emptying their hand necessarily makes you “impatient” or a “sore loser…” but to each their own. 🙂 The beautiful thing about this world is that there’s a lot of different people who see things different ways!
Hey guys, just wanted to weigh in my 2 cents about the whole “etiquette” issue. I think that a huge part of the confusion that’s going on has to do with the fact that the game is so new and that there is at this point basically a steady stream of new players . . . I do find that players running almost-free, relatively unsophisticated decks are more likely to do things like not say “Hello” and “Well Played” to start and end games, for example, I’ve even seen a few people be straight up confused by the Rogue hello, “The pleasure is mine,” and say Thank You in response rather than greet me back. There was even an article on WoW Insider recently which discussed whether conceding was being rude and/or a poor sport–which is exactly the opposite of the physical card game tradition of not dragging it on forever.
Some of the issues that have been discussed as rudeness issues, though, I think are actually gameplay issues. For example, if the board state is pretty complex, a player might not notice the easiest way to kill their opponent and drag it on an extra turn, or do a more “awesome”/”show-off” maneuver that might be interpreted as hand-emptying “rudeness” by a person who is feeling impatient or who is straight up a sore loser. Also waiting until the end of the turn to play is fine, I assume it just means they’re thinking; the really rude thing is to make your move at the beginning of the turn and then when you have nothing left you can do just wait out the clock on your turn.
Also personally I think that the rudest thing someone can do is not Threaten but say Sorry or Thank You–saying “Sorry” after you do damage or kill a creature, for example, or saying “Thank You” when you think your opponent has misplayed. (I also do need to add here that this is all from context, there are some games where you build up goodwill with your emotes early on and obviously appropriate behavior is not about following a set of rules.) If someone uses Thank You or Sorry in a rude way just once or twice I will squelch, but if they Threaten occasionally, or use Oops to point out my mistakes, I don’t mind . . . even though other players would probably feel exactly the opposite. So in that way I’m glad that not all our emotes are “polite,” I still can’t decide if I want them to add in a “lol” emote or if that would just be the rudest thing imaginable, whereas I think “Threaten” definitely does have a place in any game with a PvP aspect.
I also think that if your hero is Jaraxxus then emote spam is acceptable because it’s hilarious, for example “Oops” on the regular heroes is really easy to use in a rude way but “MISTAKE” is straight up amazing. I also understand that other people won’t feel the same way about it and might Squelch me when I warlock and I just don’t care.
Really insightful, Eleanor. I agree that the Sorry or Thank You thing is 100% the most annoying thing a player can do.
Eleanor, you make some excellent points — I tend to view things from a more casual place, myself, hence my views on things. With direct regard to taking forever on a turn, I think I may have gotten cut off or distracted before I could make my complete statement. There’s nothing wrong with taking the time to think, but it’s running out the clock every single time that makes me question what’s going on. No shame in being a new player, but even reading card text on my first day in the Beta I didn’t run out the clock on the earlier turns!
I don’t think feeling a bit weirded out by a player emptying their hand necessarily makes you “impatient” or a “sore loser…” but to each their own. 🙂 The beautiful thing about this world is that there’s a lot of different people who see things different ways!